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Post by grant73 on Aug 2, 2020 14:38:45 GMT -8
If Harris wins, the good is that she is battle-tested and experienced and either hot or charismatic (semi-kidding, don't crucify me on PC grounds).
If Harris stays in the Senate, it will be entirely because of the "Karen Bass movement."
Harris>Abrams>Rice were my choices put here last week. They're still my hopes and now are based entirely on two vectors (1. readiness for the job if it comes too early; and (2. Likelihood of being a robust incumbent or ex-VP in 2024. Some people fear #2. So they are suddenly pushing Karen Bass? They do NOT want a runaway nominee in 2024. I think they want to push AOC -- she'll be old enough. I understand, and I am with them on some planks (e.g., UBI). But to put 2024 issues ahead of our having an experienced President in Washington (if, heaven forbid Joe falters), by pushing for a Bass or a Deming just to guard against Harris would suck. Neither is feared as a Dem primary opponent in the '24 primaries. Fine, but who can argue they're "ready to assume the presidency?" That is so much more important, not for politics alone but for -- DOH -- leading the country!
So I can't predict. But it WILL be a woman and I expect Biden will pick an AA (my choice too). On Harris, the only thing Biden could worry about is Nov. abstentions if he picks Kamala. I will be disappointed if he caves in, because I think his current leads will hold and the Electorals won't be close enough for him to come up short. If he picks Rice it will be from their close association for the Obama years. If Abrams, I am impressed with her confidence, charisma and obvious smarts. Biden can win with Bass, and maybe Deming. But please, no.
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Post by northbruin40 on Aug 2, 2020 16:52:40 GMT -8
Some issues are showing up now that Bass is getting more vetting.
Even if these are things that can be explained away to supporters, you don't want the campaign to be about playing defense
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Post by mhbruin on Aug 2, 2020 17:13:39 GMT -8
The Repubs will go on the attack no matter who he picks. If there is no dirt, they will makes it up. Biden can't run scared.
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Post by spartacus on Aug 2, 2020 19:45:44 GMT -8
Duckworth
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Post by dsc on Aug 2, 2020 19:46:33 GMT -8
Bass is still in the running after her Scientology video surfaced?
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Post by Born2BBruin on Aug 2, 2020 20:05:25 GMT -8
Bass is still in the running after her Scientology video surfaced? The first rule for this VP pick has to be "do no harm". More than the Scientology video, Bass's history with Castro and Cuba will be a lightening rod for conservatives, especially in Florida. Similarly, Rice's history with Benghazi will probably drive more Republicans to the polls than Democrats, and should disqualify her from consideration. To me, Harris is clearly the best candidate in the group. But obviously, Biden doesn't think so, or whoever is advising him doesn't, because they've delayed the decision another week. I think that's unfortunate, unless the decision has been made, and they're just delaying it to give trump more room to self-destruct. From that perspective, the best time to announce the VP would be at or just before the convention. |
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Post by mhbruin on Aug 2, 2020 20:24:03 GMT -8
Bass is still in the running after her Scientology video surfaced? I despise Scientology as much as I despise Trump. However, I don't see the big issue. She didn't do a lot of research before attending a ribbon-cutting. If this is the worst mistake she ever had,she is REALLY clean. |
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Post by dsc on Aug 2, 2020 20:50:33 GMT -8
The first rule for this VP pick has to be "do no harm". More than the Scientology video, Bass's history with Castro and Cuba will be a lightening rod for conservatives, especially in Florida. Similarly, Rice's history with Benghazi will probably drive more Republicans to the polls than Democrats, and should disqualify her from consideration. I had not even heard of her even though she is a House member from LA. As a long time advocate for Stacey Abrams, I must ask how Bass is more qualified? Her history with Castro could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Florida. And she is a Trojie! That said, she will have my full support. |
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Post by northbruin40 on Aug 2, 2020 21:08:40 GMT -8
I had not even heard of her even though she is a House member from LA. As a long time advocate for Stacey Abrams, I must ask how Bass is more qualified? Her history with Castro could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in Florida. And she is a Trojie! That said, she will have my full support. Abrams doesn't seem to be getting as much discussion for the VP discussion lately. If some of the criticism of Harris is she will be running for P in 2024 and have too much of her own agenda, I would think that applies even more to Abrams. I wouldn't be surprised if Rice ultimately wins out here - possibly by process of elimination. |
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Post by spartacus on Aug 2, 2020 21:12:23 GMT -8
i don't get Abrams at all. why is she qualified? because she almost won the GA governorship? she would be a terrible choice.
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Post by grant73 on Aug 2, 2020 23:04:27 GMT -8
My motivating factor for Harris is "ready to serve." The "ambitious" factor can't be a Harris eliminator because imo any candidate willing to go through the grinder that running, winning and serving constitutes is surely ambitious. Deming and Bass have that chimerical adjective (pardon the cliche) "un-presidential." Deming comes off as a deer in the headlights and Bass comes off as a boor.
Rice and Harris I like when they look at me Abrams seems like the quickest mind of all five. Duckworth isn't black. These are only my opinions and of course I haven't met any of them. I don't want another unknown. The good of the country is much more important than jockeying now for dreams of 2024. That's four years away and we have a lot of damage here and abroad to repair.
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Post by bruinfan13 on Aug 3, 2020 0:02:45 GMT -8
My motivating factor for Harris is "ready to serve." The "ambitious" factor can't be a Harris eliminator because imo any candidate willing to go through the grinder that running, winning and serving constitutes is surely ambitious. Deming and Bass have that chimerical adjective (pardon the cliche) "un-presidential." Deming comes off as a deer in the headlights and Bass comes off as a boor. Rice and Harris I like when they look at me Abrams seems like the quickest mind of all five. Duckworth isn't black. These are only my opinions and of course I haven't met any of them. I don't want another unknown. The good of the country is much more important than jockeying now for dreams of 2024. That's four years away and we have a lot of damage here and abroad to repair. You convinced me but Harris is like my 5th choice. Not crazy about "former Prosecutors" Rudy G comes to mind. Is there any other job that produces so many Politicians? I guess Business man or Lobby Guy. Being a DA of former DA gold plates you to be council person mayor assembly person judgeship Congress critter Senator or dog catcher. You serve the Light and the Good and fight/fought for Justice. |
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Post by drbruin on Aug 3, 2020 0:44:50 GMT -8
Bass grew up a few blocks from me. So if she gets elected I would expect a cabinet position for her homie.
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Post by blublood on Aug 3, 2020 6:56:40 GMT -8
There have been a few statements here that suggests Stacy Abrams if more experienced than Karen Bass. Abrams governmental experience is 10 years in the Georgia legislature including six years as minority leader. Bass served 6 years in the California state assembly including two years as Speaker. As Speaker, she achieved an historic bi-partisan budget compromise. She has since gone on and served 10 years in the House of Representatives. So Bass has both state and federal experience.
Bass has done her work in a low-profile way. Abrams achieved notoriety by losing an election for Governor.
I'm not knocking Abrams. I'm just trying to correct the impression that Abrams is more experienced.
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Post by Born2BBruin on Aug 3, 2020 7:29:17 GMT -8
There have been a few statements here that suggests Stacy Abrams if more experienced than Karen Bass... Neither have sufficient experience to be a VP candidate in this election. |
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