What happens to the Repub Party if Trump loses?

GOP politicians won't see it as suicide as long as their bases continue to reflect trump values, and that won't change anytime soon. Almost no politician cares about the long term anything. They only care about being re-elected now.

But, I agree with you. IMO long term unless today's gop changes it's values it will become all but extinct as younger voters and voters of color dominate the electorate. The current gop party of trump will be gone but it may take a couple of decades.

OTOH more little trumpster-like minds are born and programmed every day. My GA neighbor who started out with two trumpster minds, he and his school teacher wife who used to bitterly complain about the black kids in her 3rd grade class that were "pumped out by welfare mothers for more government money" now has ten trump minds. His children and grandchildren all reflect his mindset including one of his sons, a police captain who says the favorite part of his job as a street cop was "rousting all the N'ers on MLK Blvd." Red states will be struggling for a long time.

From the article mh linked
Heeheehee, so much for the much touted "Blexit."

To think that in the first presidential election I voted, Bush Sr. carried the Asian American vote by a larger margin than the white vote. Thoughtful Republicans will undoubtedly reflect on how the party squandered away a group that could have become a reliable group much like the Cuban Americans.  All three thoughtful Republicans, that is.

Blu, I think he'd challenge Rubio over DeSantis. DeSantis has been loyal to Trump to a fault. Plus Trump would rather cause chaos in Washington DC than Tallahassee under the spotlight of the national media.

Here is a good analysis by conservative Ross Douthat.  He argues that Trump's failed presidency is pushing the country to the left and his second term could finish off the conservative movement.

The emphasis is mine.  I've used those exact same words on BZOF and elsewhere to the annoyance of conservatives who dislike Trump while applauding his policies.  


Conservatism, even in its heyday was a pie in the sky. Much like communism, it flies in the face of human nature. Nobody is going to gain political power only to curtail it in the name of "limited government." "Limited government" means limited for others, but not for those in power.

Maybe not in presidential elections, but young Asians certainly played a role in flipping two Orange County seats.  In the case of CA-39, they turned on their own (Young Kim) and voted for the Korean American Republican's Democrat opponent.

But my broader point is that not too long ago, the GOP carried the Asian vote, but now the Dems have a 55 point advantage.  That may not mean much in the overall scheme of things, but it is emblematic of how the GOP has changed in the past 40-50 years.

As for Trump's health:

www.cnn.com/2020/06/15/politics/donald-trump-health-ramp-water/index.html

Now some of this could just be an overweight 74 (or whatever it is) year old man, so you can make too much out of it, but I am seriously questioning the idea of Trump running for President again in 2024 if he doesn't win in November.

I don't think reports of this will hurt him toward the November election. The right-wingers will just ignore it, and claim it's made up. And more educated Republicans might quietly think "This is actually good, Trump will just delegate more to his cabinet as he gets older, like Reagan did".

He may not end up running for President again in 2024.  But just the talk of a rematch with Biden would wreck havoc in the GOP, hampering the party's quest to move forward.  That would be delicious to watch Trump be the milestone around the GOP's neck.  It would be long overdue, but very well deserved.

Besides, Biden is 77 and will turn 78 two weeks after election day.  Trump will be 78 in 2024.  As Hillary said, what difference does it make?  He will use Biden to justify the rerun.

Edit:  As I said before, he will run for Rubio's Senate seat.  As a Senator, he won't have to do anything other than causing chaos and suck all the oxygen out of the Senate chamber.  There is no governing to do. He can sit around and tweet all day.  It is the cushiest job in Washington.

There's no way that Trump runs for a Senate seat in Florida, or in any other state. He only puts himself into situations where he enjoys an overwhelming advantage over the people around him. The senate is a collaborative body (at least in principal). The mere thought of Trump working with others is ludicrous.

On the other hand, I can easily imagine him attempting to run a network. Other than acting like a tyrant, there's nothing he would love more than to control the world's largest bullhorn. But Trump's skills as a self-promoter won't translate into long-term success in the broadcasting business, and if it ever gets off the ground, the Trump Network will surely fail. ETTD.

However, all that speculation is moot. In his post-White House years, I expect Trump's energies to be spent mostly attempting to avoid prison. I would not be surprised if he attempts to seek political asylum in Moscow...