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Post by less1brain on Oct 11, 2020 16:02:56 GMT -8
The original number of judges was 6.
Then it went to 7, so Jefferson could get what he wanted.
Then Andy Jackson wanted to change the balance of power on the court in his favor, so it went to 9.
During the Civil War, it went to 10 so the Republicans could insure a tie whenever they passed reconstruction and other acts.
But when Andy Johnson took over for Lincoln, the number of judges was cut back to 7 to keep Johnson from appointing any new judges (interestingly, the 3 judges forced out were the last 3 appointed; so there's precedence for kicking Comey, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch off if Biden thinks the court should go back to 6).
Grant got 9 judges. At his request, to make sure the 2 new judges were even more favorable to his agenda.
Roosevelt's plan was to expand the court to up to 15, depending on the number of judges over 70 who refused to retire then or when they reached 70... that's when someone actually noticed...
Maybe Congress should just reduce the number to 1 for a year, with the 8 youngest judges kicked off. Breyer is the oldest, so he can try all the cases for a year and then ask for 4 more judge or 6 more judges since 5 or 7 might be all the SCOTUS really needs... or just go with the cutting back to 6 and getting Trump's appointees kicked off, citing the Republican Party as his inspiration... then if Roberts wants to vote with Thomas and Alito, it's a 3-3 tie and when he goes with Breyer, Kagan and Sotamayor, it's a 4-2 vote. Biden ought to be able to appoint someone by June, 2021 to prevent those pesky ties from occurring again...
Biden empties the court, rather than "packing" it...
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Post by hasben on Oct 11, 2020 17:25:46 GMT -8
Doesn't that all rely on the dems taking the senate, which is pretty doubtful IMO? I'm sure a potus can't just willy-nilly remove all the scotus judges.
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Post by Born2BBruin on Oct 11, 2020 17:36:08 GMT -8
Interesting. Thanks for posting this.
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Post by blindness on Oct 11, 2020 21:28:10 GMT -8
The deeper change would be to impose term limits, and also somehow decouple the nomination from presidency altogether, which is probably baked into the constitution like most of our bigger structural issues.
Maybe a way to get around this would be for a professional body of judges (maybe the members of the SCOTUS) to suggest 5 names to the president and let the president pick which one they want to nominate.
There is also an idea about rotating justices among higher courts. I don't know the details.
The current system is broken and it taints presidential elections, which has stopped being about policy and politics. It is exclusively about Supreme Court justices. That cannot be good for democracy.
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Post by less1brain on Oct 12, 2020 7:51:08 GMT -8
1. On Democrats taking control of the Senate: Doubtful? Only by massive voter fraud.
Definitely, the Republicans pick by Jones' seat in Alabama, but likely don't get Peters' set in Michigan. Republicans 54-46.
Dead meat Republican incumbents by high quality polls: Collins, Tillis, Ernst, McSally, Gardner: Democrats 51-49.
Still undecided, Bollier in Kansas (likely win for Democrats), Warnock in Georgia (likely win for Republicans), Ossoff in Georgia (likely win for Republicans), Bullock in Montana (likely win for Democrats), and Harrison in South Carolina (likely win for Republicans).
So, I put it at 53-47 Democrats, but a 50-50 tie gets broken by Harris if Biden beats Trump.
2. On mechanism for choosing Supreme Court Justices, Congress can choose how that's done by simple majority vote. The laws declaring how many judges there are is usually called a Judiciary Act (there have been several and that latest one can be amended by majority vote of both houses). It's unlikely, however, that this power can be given to a third party, on the same basis that the US Supreme Court will most likely strike down independent election commissions.
Here's an interesting thought: Justices serve for life, but only "on good behavior." This is universally accepted by legal scholars (but has never been an issue before a court) that this means that a Supreme Court Justice must be impeached and removed from office just like a President. But while the Constitution clearly says the President can only be removed after being impeached by a majority of the House and then 2/3 of the Senate, no such language exists in Article 3.
A 'textualist" should read this as meaning that a simple majority vote in both houses of Congress can remove a Supreme Court Justice if they behave badly. What is a lack of good behavior? Abe Fortis resigned before he could be impeached because he accepted $20,000 for life from a convicted felon, though he'd accepted the money before the guy went to jail and there was no connection between the payments and the crime (a violation of state law, not federal, so it's unclear how the former client of Fortis could benefit from the payment, which was made to pay off the former client's enormous legal fees).
I wonder if the Democratic Congress or DOJ can or will look into Kavanaugh's past more closely, or into Thomas's, or into anyone else's? That's their job, actually, to remove Supreme Court Justices who fail to live up to the good behavior standard. Can the SCOTUS rule the Constitution unconstitutional? Maybe, if it abandons textualism and heads in another direction...
Of course, Scalia proclaimed himself a textualist and literally rewrote the Second Amendment, crossing out the words "for the purpose of maintaining a well-regulated state militia" so now it reads that the Government shall not abridge the right of the people to bear arms... and that's it, though Roberts, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh all recently joined the 4 "liberals" (now down to 3) in denying cert in 6 cases involving new state restrictions on guns (including bans on assault rifles and extended magazines for semi-automatic pistols). Maybe they'll rewrite some of that text back into the Constitution right where it's written...
Textualist Scalia, my a**. His decision overturned over 70 years of Supreme Court precedent applied to the states and over 100 years of precedent applied to the feds (the 14th Amendment is deemed to have incorporated all of the other amendments before and since to apply to the states as well as the federal government).
Thomas Jefferson, who wrote the initial Amendments, made clear in one of those anonymous letters to the press (what was up with these Founding Fathers?) that he was especially concerned with making sure that Americans didn't have access to "pistoles," as they were the weapons most often used to kill people in duels or drunken brawls, and had no material military value at all, as far as he could see, but then "pistoles" have evolved quite a lot since 1787...
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Post by mhbruin on Oct 12, 2020 8:43:19 GMT -8
>>Here's an interesting thought: Justices serve for life, but only "on good behavior." This is universally accepted by legal scholars (but has never been an issue before a court) that this means that a Supreme Court Justice must be impeached and removed from office just like a President. But while the Constitution clearly says the President can only be removed after being impeached by a majority of the House and then 2/3 of the Senate, no such language exists in Article 3.
Judges have been impeached in the past, and I am pretty sure they used the 2/3rds criterion. Although such precedents are not binding, they are pretty damned influential.
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Post by mhbruin on Oct 12, 2020 8:44:32 GMT -8
The deeper change would be to impose term limits, and also somehow decouple the nomination from presidency altogether, which is probably baked into the constitution like most of our bigger structural issues. Term limits would require an amendment to the Constitution.
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Post by mhbruin on Oct 12, 2020 8:47:22 GMT -8
Doesn't that all rely on the dems taking the senate, which is pretty doubtful IMO? I'm sure a potus can't just willy-nilly remove all the scotus judges. The Economist gives the Democrats a 72% chance of controlling the Senate and projects they will get 52 seats.
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Post by blindness on Oct 12, 2020 9:31:11 GMT -8
The deeper change would be to impose term limits, and also somehow decouple the nomination from presidency altogether, which is probably baked into the constitution like most of our bigger structural issues. Term limits would require an amendment to the Constitution. Dammit, you realize what an impediment this constitution has become? We're either endlessly trying to retrofit the old building to bring it up to code or studying every comma, every word like it's some talmudic study to divine some wisdom from it.
It is literally in the way all the time.
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Post by Born2BBruin on Oct 12, 2020 13:05:01 GMT -8
Doesn't that all rely on the dems taking the senate, which is pretty doubtful IMO? I'm sure a potus can't just willy-nilly remove all the scotus judges. 538 gives Democrats a 69% chance of winning the Senate, with an average result of 51 seats. 538 Senate Election ForecastRepublicans have chance, but I wouldn't call the Dem's chances "doubtful".
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