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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jul 3, 2020 12:20:48 GMT -8
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Post by hasben on Jul 3, 2020 13:31:18 GMT -8
that is just damned scary and entirely possible. If that happened we would become a totalitarian regime no different than Russia or Syria.
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Post by grant73 on Jul 3, 2020 15:09:14 GMT -8
in power, if he loses the election. -- "by house "delegation" (Rep=26, Dem=23) -- So Trump would remain until when (i.e., what further process? or i.e. until when)? Four more years?
Without personally knowing those two answers, it does seem to me that the issue leading to the lack of a "quorum" of Electors would eventually be resolved with the "missing" Elector individuals finally agreed-upon or determined judicially and certified -- for a re-vote. I mean, they wouldn't fade into the ethernet, as though a given state had LOST some of its electors. This kind of story is interesting but does represent a third or fourth post here linking writers of more or less "sensationalist" click-bait tendencies. That said, Wirth certainly has more credibility than previous writers linked here who claimed sensational possibilities. Thanks for posting this!
Other issues, the mid-December date; the nature of the House as a whole would still be a Democrat majority if measured by seat-by-seat rather than this claimed "delegation vote;" then there is the the issue of House "Delegation" itself -- it would be interesting to know what Section/Paragraph of the Electoral Vote process contains the "Delegation-vote." Finally, what if the dickering, legal and otherwise lasts longer than the expiring terms of those Congress-persons who either lost their seats or did not run for re-election; Would not the newly-seated House then have a different partisan proportion even by "Delegation?" In the event of a landslide, I should think so. And the College issue would of course be unable to affect the seating date of the new house.
Sorry for this long response, but that is what retired data analysts do, lol.
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Post by northbruin40 on Jul 3, 2020 15:09:59 GMT -8
There are a few problems with that though. Indiana, Massachusetts and Oklahoma aren't really competitive states. And though Massachusetts has a Republican governor, he's a centrist who avoids doing things to piss off Dems. I believe Virginia has a Democratic governor, many of the local officials in the big cities are Dems, and it's questionable anyway if Virginia is in reach for Trump. |
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Post by andyh64000 on Jul 3, 2020 15:26:01 GMT -8
I worry most about massive voter suppression efforts as well as hacking. You have to figure Russia has been refining its hacking techniques these past four years.
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Post by blindness on Jul 3, 2020 17:21:34 GMT -8
Tim Wirth gets it. Do not assume that our political system is equipped to handle someone who does not have any interest in playing by the rules. As I said many times before, this political system survived thus not because of its inherent brilliance or good design, but by a gentlemen's agreement. No more than that. Now the glue is coming apart.
We are a hair's width away from a modern (= Putin style) dictatorship.
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Post by blindness on Jul 3, 2020 17:31:17 GMT -8
in power, if he loses the election. -- "by house "delegation" (Rep=26, Dem=23) -- So Trump would remain until when (i.e., what further process? or i.e. until when)? Four more years?
Minimally. There is no guarantee that he will stop there. I don't think he even needs a constitutional amendment for that. All he needs to do is to run the third time and win. By that point he will have solidified the supreme court. He would let them deliver a decision that discovers that the 22nd amendment is in conflict with the fundamentals of the constitution. See Unconstitutional constitutional amendment:
An unconstitutional constitutional amendment is a concept in judicial review based on the idea that even a properly passed and properly ratified constitutional amendment, specifically one that is not explicitly prohibited by a constitution's text, can nevertheless be unconstitutional on substantive (as opposed to procedural) grounds—such as due to this amendment conflicting with some constitutional or even extra-constitutional norm, value, and/or principle.
I sometimes think that Americans are more like the boy who grew up in the bubble with no immunity to the regular diseases that the rest of the world has gone through or are going through as we speak.
Sorry for being blunt.
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Post by dsc on Jul 3, 2020 18:49:30 GMT -8
We have a long shameful but unrepentant history of tearing down democratically elected leaders and propping up dictators around the world to serve our "national interests."
So far we have done that to other countries mostly in the Third World. What makes you to think the US itself is immune to this? If America's democratically elected leaders refuse serve the "national interests" as defined by the powers that be, then it only stands to reason for them to install a dictatorship here, does it not? The end justifies the means, does it not?
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Post by blindness on Jul 3, 2020 19:33:35 GMT -8
Also bearin kind that the US is the only country in the world that has the type bof presidential system that we do (president's and congress both elected by the people with equal mandate) that has nit descended into a cycle of coups and dictatorships.
Mostly because, you know, Tip O'Neal and Reagan were able to have a beer at the end of the day. Well, it all went south when Gingrich decided not to have a beer with Clinton. We've been spiraling down ever since.
Slightly simplifying the problem, obviously.
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Post by blublood on Jul 3, 2020 21:07:18 GMT -8
This is all unbelievably farfetched.
If he tried it, Trump would fail. The American public wouldn't stand for it.
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Post by dsc on Jul 3, 2020 21:18:59 GMT -8
This is all unbelievably farfetched. If he tried it, Trump would fail. The American public wouldn't stand for it. Not all of the American public. 40+% would be perfectly okay with it. |
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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jul 3, 2020 21:42:38 GMT -8
There are a few problems with that though. Indiana, Massachusetts and Oklahoma aren't really competitive states. And though Massachusetts has a Republican governor, he's a centrist who avoids doing things to piss off Dems. I believe Virginia has a Democratic governor, many of the local officials in the big cities are Dems, and it's questionable anyway if Virginia is in reach for Trump. You know more about it than I do. Thank you for comforting me. |
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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jul 3, 2020 21:43:17 GMT -8
This is all unbelievably farfetched. If he tried it, Trump would fail. The American public wouldn't stand for it. Again, thank you for comforting me. |
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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jul 3, 2020 21:44:22 GMT -8
I worry most about massive voter suppression efforts as well as hacking. You have to figure Russia has been refining its hacking techniques these past four years. you and me both. |
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Post by blindness on Jul 3, 2020 22:42:45 GMT -8
This is all unbelievably farfetched. If he tried it, Trump would fail. The American public wouldn't stand for it. What are they going to do? Post angry comments on Facebook?
I am only half-joking.
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