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Post by sagobob on Jul 1, 2020 16:14:43 GMT -8
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Post by northbruin40 on Jul 1, 2020 17:57:04 GMT -8
Remember, that was just two years after Daryl Gates "gang sweeps" which were really just a more aggressive form of Rudy's "stop and frisk" policing where police were encouraged to roust anyone who looked like an .. ahem .. "usual suspect". Also, many of the cops were still the guys who later retired and later moved to Idaho [The guys the LAPD higher ups wanted you to think of as the idealized Dragnet and Adam-12 cops]. Plus, Gates for years was actually quite successful at winning popularity contests by presenting himself as a tough, edgy, anti-politician who was tough on crime. Not friendly guy you would want living next door, but the perception of LA as a dangerous city was something he could play off of. Many residents (especially in upper-class neighborhoods with high voter turnout and large political influence) saw him as enforcing the "stay in your lane" policy where you stayed safe by sticking to safe neighborhoods and avoiding "dangerous neighborhoods". I had many "progressive" friends who believed in the policy of "don't stray from safe neighborhoods".
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Post by mhbruin on Jul 1, 2020 20:40:39 GMT -8
I worked with a very successful black stock trader. He dressed professionally, drove an expensive car. He fit no profile for a gang member.
He was frequently pulled over and had guns pointed at him.
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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jul 2, 2020 5:49:16 GMT -8
This was shared on FB by a friend of mine (he's not the original poster). I Googled, there is a business in Myrtle Beach by that name, and the owner is named Ernest
· To my white friends. If you think you know what it's like to be black in this world, I challenge you to read the profound and transformational post below. I am so grateful I did. This is from Caroline Crockett Brock's facebook page: I am a 45 year old white woman living in the south, and today was the first time I spoke frankly about racism with a black man.
When Ernest, my appliance repairman, came to the front door, I welcomed him in. As this was his second visit and we’d established a friendly rapport, I asked him how he was feeling in the current national climate.
Naturally, he assumed I was talking about the coronavirus, because what white person actually addresses racism head on, in person, in their own home? When Ernest realized I wanted to know about his experience with racism, he began answering my questions.
What’s it like for you on a day-to-day basis as a black man? Do cops ever give you any trouble?
The answers were illuminating.
Ernest, a middle-aged, friendly, successful business owner, gets pulled over in Myrtle Beach at least 6 times a year. He doesn’t get pulled over for traffic violations, but on the suspicion of him being a suspect in one crime or another.
Mind you, he is in uniform, driving in a work van clearly marked with his business on the side. They ask him about the boxes in his car--parts and pieces of appliances. They ask to see his invoices and ask him why there is money and checks in his invoice clipboard. They ask if he’s selling drugs. These cops get angry if he asks for a badge number or pushes back in any way. Every time he is the one who has to explain himself, although they have no real cause to question him.
Ernest used to help folks out after dark with emergencies. Not anymore. He does not work past dinnertime, not because he doesn’t need the business, but because it isn’t safe for him to be out after dark. He says “There’s nothing out there in the world for me past dark”.
Let me say that again. Ernest, a middle aged black man in uniform cannot work past dark in Myrtle Beach in 2020 because it’s not safe for him. He did not say this with any kind of agenda. It was a quiet, matter of fact truth.
A truth that needs to be heard.
When I asked Ernest what ethnic terms he gets offended at, he said that the most offensive term people use is ‘boy’.
Ernest has a bachelors in electronics and an associates in HVAC. He is not a ‘boy’, and the term ‘boy’ in the south implies inferiority in station and status. He came to Myrtle Beach and got a job at Hobart. The supervisor repeatedly used the term ‘boy’. Ernest complained. After several complaints Ernest was fired.
Ernest says most white people are a little scared of him, and he’s often put in a position where he has to prove himself, as though he’s not qualified to repair appliances.
After getting a job for 2 years at Sears appliance, Ernest started his own company, one he’s been running for several years. He is the best repairman we’ve had, and has taught me about washer dryers and how to maintain them myself, even helping me with another washer/dryer set and a dishwasher without charging me. I highly recommend his company, Grand Strand Appliance.
Ernest doesn’t have hope that racism will change, no matter who the president is. His dad taught him “It’s a white man’s world”, and he’s done his best to live within it.
When I asked him what I could do, he said, “everyone needs to pray and realize we’re all just one country and one people”.
I am a 45 year old white woman living in the south. I can begin healing our country by talking frankly with African Americans in my world---by LISTENING to their lived experience and speaking up. I can help by actively promoting black owned businesses. That’s what I can do today.
Let’s start by listening and lifting up. It’s that simple. #listenandlift =====
Edit: I asked Ernest if I could take his picture and post our conversation on facebook. He thought it was a great idea. As he left my house an hour later, he looked me in the eye and said, "If you ever march, or have a meeting on this topic, or want to change things in Myrtle Beach, I'll stand with you." What a great idea. Let's begin standing together.
=== Edit: 1pm EST on 6/1. Ernest just called me and we had one of the sweetest moments, both laughing and crying about the response to this post. He started the conversation by saying, "Caroline, I don't know if I should kill you or kiss you--my phone is ringing off the hook!"
He doesn't have a FB profile, so he's coming over later so I can help him set one up. He's been absolutely overwhelmed, as have I, with the response. We're going to be sitting down together to read your comments. They mean so much. In addition, the Myrtle Beach city manager has contacted me and I'm getting all of us together to be sure this doesn't happen in our city any longer. THANK YOU WORLD.
Edit 6/2 9am. Just got off the phone with Ernest and the local news. They will be interviewing us today, and it will be on the local news in Myrtle beach tonight. I'll post it on my page later. This is how we change our country. Normal folks. One town at a time.
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Post by mhbruin on Jul 2, 2020 6:08:39 GMT -8
And yet many whites think they are victims pf discrimination.
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Post by dsc on Jul 2, 2020 13:35:21 GMT -8
My friend is an engineer like me except he is much smarter. He looks and dresses like one with nerdy glasses. Moved to OC and got pulled over 6 times over a period of two years. I've been pulled over maybe five times in the past 35 years but they were all over speeding and expired registration stickers.
My friend isn't the kind of guy to complain much, but this has to drain on him. I'm still pissed off about getting pulled over for a rolling stop 25 years ago.
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Post by drbruin on Jul 2, 2020 14:01:27 GMT -8
Here's my story:
I'm good friends with the brother of a former UCLA basketball great. Many years ago, my (black) friend was going to visit his brother when he was playing in the NBA and he asked me to give him a ride to the airport. I (white) parked in front of his apartment, went in and he was running late, so I went back to the car and waited for him. After a while, he comes sprinting out the door carrying his suitcase and jumped in the car. I quickly sped away hoping not to miss his flight. We got less than a block when a police car stopped us. The officer told us that there had been a rash of burglaries in the area and our actions looked suspicious (obviously). So he shot my friend and let me go. Not really. He just asked him for an ID to verify he lived there and let us go without incident. But I always wonder what would have happened if he had asked his other brother for a ride instead of me.
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Post by bruinfan13 on Jul 2, 2020 18:59:49 GMT -8
Remember, that was just two years after Daryl Gates "gang sweeps" which were really just a more aggressive form of Rudy's "stop and frisk" policing where police were encouraged to roust anyone who looked like an .. ahem .. "usual suspect". Also, many of the cops were still the guys who later retired and later moved to Idaho [The guys the LAPD higher ups wanted you to think of as the idealized Dragnet and Adam-12 cops]. Plus, Gates for years was actually quite successful at winning popularity contests by presenting himself as a tough, edgy, anti-politician who was tough on crime. Not friendly guy you would want living next door, but the perception of LA as a dangerous city was something he could play off of. Many residents (especially in upper-class neighborhoods with high voter turnout and large political influence) saw him as enforcing the "stay in your lane" policy where you stayed safe by sticking to safe neighborhoods and avoiding "dangerous neighborhoods". I had many "progressive" friends who believed in the policy of "don't stray from safe neighborhoods". 1988 was the first year of gang injunction's in California. Gates was LAPD but the Sheriffs were going crazy too. Between the LAPD and LASD, crack epidemic and 3 strikes prison expansion, The Police ran with it and got out of hand.
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