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Post by mhbruin on Jun 27, 2020 9:00:48 GMT -8
The public already gives him higher ratings on every issue, except one, the economy. That's where he should attack him.
Trump is a failed businessman and a failed economic leader. He enriches himself while millions go broke.
There is no need to go after him on COVID. The voters already know he has screwed it up.
It's still the economy, stupid.
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Post by blindness on Jun 27, 2020 10:02:38 GMT -8
Absolutely. And it is not that hard to make the case that the man's using the presidency to line his own pockets.
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Post by grant73 on Jun 27, 2020 10:21:51 GMT -8
Agree, as long as we don't come off HOPING that the Street and the GDP don't tank any worse, for that impression might backfire.
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Post by Born2BBruin on Jun 27, 2020 10:33:02 GMT -8
Yes and no. Yes, Carville's mantra is still true; but no, the word "economy" itself is too vague. Here's what I'd do: - Jobs, jobs, jobs. More jobs were created in the last six year's Obama and Biden were in charge. The best year for trump barely beats Obama's and Biden's fourth best year.
- Lost business and jobs due to trump's trade war.
- Record unemployment exacerbated by trump's failed response to the pandemic.
These are real and tangible. They hit people squarely in their wallets. And there's lots of good video to exploit.
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Post by northbruin40 on Jun 27, 2020 12:51:19 GMT -8
Trump can be attacked some ways on the economy, but I would suggest it not be the cornerstone of Biden's campaign. Shifting it to a debate about the economy can work in Trumps favor. I think of it like a trial lawyer. When the jury thinks of you and your case, you want them to associate you with your strongest argument, not your weakest.
There is a mistake many make in arguing that they must contest any and every thing from the other side. Thus they get caught wasting valuable time, effort and attention on the weak arguments, when you always want the strong arguments front and center.
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Post by mhbruin on Jun 27, 2020 13:31:31 GMT -8
Trump can be attacked some ways on the economy, but I would suggest it not be the cornerstone of Biden's campaign. Shifting it to a debate about the economy can work in Trumps favor. I think of it like a trial lawyer. When the jury thinks of you and your case, you want them to associate you with your strongest argument, not your weakest. There is a mistake many make in arguing that they must contest any and every thing from the other side. Thus they get caught wasting valuable time, effort and attention on the weak arguments, when you always want the strong arguments front and center. Some of the most successful campaigns have been run on the idea of attacking an opponent's strength, not his weakness. John Kerry was a war hero and Bush was a deserter. So they went after his war record. Senator Max Cleland lost both his legs in Viet Nam and lost to Saxby Chambliss who ran ads questioning his courage and patriotism. I don't think telling people what they already know changes votes. Plus attacking Trump's business cred will drive him nuts, and he will do even dumber stuff. |
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Post by northbruin40 on Jun 28, 2020 0:44:53 GMT -8
Some of the most successful campaigns have been run on the idea of attacking an opponent's strength, not his weakness. John Kerry was a war hero and Bush was a deserter. So they went after his war record. Senator Max Cleland lost both his legs in Viet Nam and lost to Saxby Chambliss who ran ads questioning his courage and patriotism. I don't think telling people what they already know changes votes. Plus attacking Trump's business cred will drive him nuts, and he will do even dumber stuff. Given Trump's low approval ratings, Biden might be better served with "reinforcement" than "changing voters minds". That and he needs to run adds where he sounds the opposite of the way the Trump adds will try to paint him (that can be considered turning "low expectations" into a positive). |
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 29, 2020 6:49:58 GMT -8
The public already gives him higher ratings on every issue, except one, the economy. That's where he should attack him. Trump is a failed businessman and a failed economic leader. He enriches himself while millions go broke. There is no need to go after him on COVID. The voters already know he has screwed it up. It's still the economy, stupid. |
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Post by bobinmd on Jun 29, 2020 6:51:02 GMT -8
Agreed. Work the union halls as soon as he can in one form or another.
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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jun 29, 2020 16:28:59 GMT -8
Some of the most successful campaigns have been run on the idea of attacking an opponent's strength, not his weakness. John Kerry was a war hero and Bush was a deserter. So they went after his war record. Senator Max Cleland lost both his legs in Viet Nam and lost to Saxby Chambliss who ran ads questioning his courage and patriotism. I don't think telling people what they already know changes votes. Plus attacking Trump's business cred will drive him nuts, and he will do even dumber stuff. Given Trump's low approval ratings, Biden might be better served with "reinforcement" than "changing voters minds". That and he needs to run adds where he sounds the opposite of the way the Trump adds will try to paint him (that can be considered turning "low expectations" into a positive). Oh, man. I respectfully disagree. The "I'm winning, I'm taking the high road" approach backfired fairly spectacularly for Gore and for Hillary. I'm guessing Dukakis took the high road to nowhere, too. Thought that election was long ago enough that I've forgotten. |
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Post by Floppy Johnson on Jun 29, 2020 16:32:07 GMT -8
It remains baffling to me that automatic response regarding the Trump economy isn't that every number it hit was on the back of a trillion dollar deficit.
Anyone can live high on the hog, if they borrow enough money.
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Post by andyh64000 on Jun 29, 2020 16:53:15 GMT -8
It remains baffling to me that automatic response regarding the Trump economy isn't that every number it hit was on the back of a trillion dollar deficit. Anyone can live high on the hog, if they borrow enough money. Furthermore, it was the same economy that he inherited from Obama except that Obama was reducing the deficit. |
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Post by northbruin40 on Jun 29, 2020 18:07:42 GMT -8
Oh, man. I respectfully disagree. The "I'm winning, I'm taking the high road" approach backfired fairly spectacularly for Gore and for Hillary. I'm guessing Dukakis took the high road to nowhere, too. Thought that election was long ago enough that I've forgotten. Gore wasn't actually winning. I thought he was slightly behind in the polls, then the story broke that Bush had a DUI, but had only made previous very vague references to youthful indiscretions to provide cover for his past. That probably shifted things so that Gore slightly won the pop vote, but it was a few hundred votes short in Florida. Hillary had a narrow lead. I was saying the whole time why doesn't she present a more compelling argument? I never liked the "Don't really say anything so as not to turn off the never Trumpers". That wasn't just analysis after the fact for me. Since states typically have a higher error margin than the national popular vote, Hillary's apparent polling lead in some key states was within the usual +/- factor for states. That's why Nate Silver gave Trump a 30% chance. Biden, while not a particularly thrilling guy, and not especially popular - but he never had the negative ratings Hillary did. He's got bigger leads in the swing states. And no one is suggesting he do nothing, just that he should attack on his most winning arguments, rather than try to change the debate. |
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Post by mhbruin on Jun 30, 2020 11:01:59 GMT -8
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Post by Born2BBruin on Jun 30, 2020 11:33:40 GMT -8
It doesn't matter what Republicans think about the economy. We know who they're voting for, and very little will change their minds. Remember, Democrats and Republicans also had very different perceptions of the economy during both the Bush and Obama presidencies. |
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