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Post by gainsborough on Aug 18, 2022 9:28:08 GMT -8
And some of those national security documents were still in his hands until this month...
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Post by mhbruin on Aug 18, 2022 9:44:35 GMT -8
Here's a version of the "He did it because he could" theory:
Senior intelligence officials realized early on that President Donald Trump wasn’t going to read even short written summaries of his regular intelligence briefings. So the CIA officers who prepared the briefings made sure they came to the Oval Office laden with striking images, pared-down charts and slick graphics designed to grab the president’s fleeting interest, several officials familiar with the briefings told NBC News.
“To secure his attention, you had to use images and catchy headlines, even better if they had his name in them,” said Doug London, a former CIA officer who helped assemble the briefing material.
On Aug. 30, 2019, top spies learned the dangers of that approach. What unfolded that day became an infamous moment in the Trump presidency — one that former intelligence officials say perfectly illustrated his approach to dealing with state secrets. A former senior intelligence official with firsthand knowledge told NBC News that Trump did indeed tweet a highly classified image taken by a secret spy satellite, as many experts suspected at the time. And in doing so, the official and others said, Trump gave U.S. adversaries keen insights into the U.S. capabilities to spy from above.
“The president tweeted a picture of an Iranian missile launch site that showed a failed ICBM test launch that everybody acknowledged was a highly classified picture taken from space,” former national security adviser John Bolton, who was in Poland when it happened, told NBC News Monday. “He tweeted it out, and that of course declassified it by definition, but also showed what could happen when such a picture, even on a Twitter attachment, was then able to be analyzed by foreign intelligence services.”
Bolton and others familiar with it say the episode is emblematic of a mindset in which Trump or people close to him thought it was permissible to bring and store what the FBI says are highly classified documents to his compound in Mar-a-Lago.
“He spent no time understanding what made something a secret and what we protected,” a second former senior intelligence official said.
The former senior official directly familiar with the matter explained to NBC News that the president’s intelligence briefing that day included a photo from one of the America’s premier spy satellites — an image with resolution far superior to anything on the commercial market. The photo showed the aftermath of a catastrophic failure of an Iranian rocket launch.
“We had this image of the Iranian missile blown up, and it was exquisite intelligence, and he didn’t even wait,” the former official said. “As soon as we showed him, he said, ‘Hey, I’m tweeting this.’”
The official said CIA Director Gina Haspel and Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire tried to talk Trump out of doing it, noting that the U.S. spent billions of dollars developing capabilities to capture images from space, and told Trump, “You can’t do this. If you put this out, they’re going understand what our capability is.”
But the former official said Trump was unmoved.
“He said, 'Look, I’m the president, I can declassify anything,'” the official said.
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Post by blindness on Aug 18, 2022 11:37:48 GMT -8
I am happy to report that we have an update. The initial theory that DJT took the classified documents to Mar a Lago simply to monetize them has been augmented with a second theory, summarized in the NY Times as follows: "Mr. Trump, a pack rat who for decades showed off knickknacks in his overstuffed Trump Tower office — including a giant shoe that once belonged to the basketball player Shaquille O’Neal — treated the nation’s secrets as similar trinkets to brandish. White House aides described how excited he was to show off all the material he had access to, including letters from the North Korean leader Kim Jong-un, which he routinely waved at visitors, alarming his advisers." In addition, the Times also reported: "Mr. Trump repeatedly had material sent up to the White House residence, and it was not always clear what happened to it. He sometimes asked to keep material after his intelligence briefings, but aides said he was so uninterested in the paperwork during the briefings themselves that they never understood what he wanted it for." I guess that means our nation's nuclear codes were stored next to the giant Shaq-shoe, and adjacent to a piece of shiny glass that a magpie dropped on the driveway at Mar a Lago. They are all pretty much the same to Donald Trump... trinkets. Not buying it under any circumstances.
A piece of paper that has some facts and figures and scientific data, what have you, is not a trinket you can show off to people even if it says "super secret stuff" stamped across every page. If that's what he wants to do, he would pick up the Churchill bust or any object that would be familiar to ordinary people as instantly recognizable. Anything that appears in some picture of Reagan or Nixon, something like that. Maybe that rug that has the presidential seal on it.
He may have picked those up too, no doubt about that, and when it comes to showing off, he would be using those things, not pieces of paper that were apparently written by and intended for nerds.
I am sure he kept the beautiful letter from Kim Jong Un as well as whatever else he was given by other dictators of the world he reveres so much. Nuclear secrets are worthless from that point of view. Now if he still has the proverbial "football" ... now you're talking!
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Post by gainsborough on Aug 22, 2022 10:33:32 GMT -8
In the last few days, two more explanations have emerged for Donald ("Caligula") Trump's removal of top-secret material from the White House:
1. The NY Times reports that he may have removed the material to use it in seeking vengeance against his perceived enemies. Now that's 100% on-point for Trump: vengeance, payback, revenge, reprisal, retribution... very Trumpian.
2. Congressman Mike Turner(R - Ohio) recently attempted to defend Trump by explaining that Trump would use the material to write his memoir. That's quite a stretch, considering that we are dealing with a guy who doesn't read, cannot write, and delivers word-salad when he opens his mouth. He'd use a ghost-writer of course, and he would verbally grant the ghost-writer "super secret, double-secret clearance" to view the documents...
No, there is still no explanation that makes sense. I can only modify a line uttered by Ned Stark, from "Game of Thrones", when attempting to explain the inexplicable to his young son: "A madman thinks what a madman thinks."
(Ned said "sees" instead of "thinks", but it still applies)
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Post by blindness on Aug 23, 2022 7:03:00 GMT -8
Regarding the memoir theory... That would only explain the documents in which he is being praised by some dictator. Do that would only explain why he took Kim Jong Un's love letter. Nothing beyond that.
For his memoir all he needs is some journal of events. The rest he'll make up on the spot anyway. He knows he has a great brain. He does not need document or facts to write his own history.
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Post by gainsborough on Oct 10, 2022 13:58:00 GMT -8
Hey, I think I know why Trump stole those documents! It took a while, but I think I finally solved the mystery.
This is an old thread and I don't want to repeat it. I'd like to summarize the four main theories as to why Trump stole those documents... and then I will offer a new one. The first four are: 1. To sell the information (perhaps to Russia or Saudi Arabia) 2. To use the info to blackmail or extort a rival 3. To show off the documents to visitors simply to impress them 4. He stole the material because that’s what he does, he’s like a magpie.
I was never comfortable with any of those explanations. I kept asking “Why did he do it?”
I have a new theory. Perhaps other people have similar theories, but if so I have not encountered them. My theory goes like this:
- Trump stole the White House call logs (or something similar). That’s what he really wants. I suspect the call logs could prove his guilt, and he knows it.
- Trump stole the other documents to hide the real treasure. Stealing the other material provides multiple advantages:
1. The stolen call logs (or other incriminating evidence) may remain hidden while authorities attempt to compile a list of missing material.
2. Trump will keep “winning” as long as the lawyers, pundits, talking heads and common citizens bicker over the legal details. The public is talking about nuclear secrets, and the intelligence community is concerned about techniques & resources. Perhaps those are red herrings... if Trump can destroy the incriminating evidence (or simply withhold it long enough), he may escape conviction.... and perhaps he may never even be brought to trial.
3. Stealing the call logs alone would indicate “consciousness of guilt.” By stealing other material along with the incriminating evidence, the “consciousness of guilt” factor would be mitigated or even eliminated.
So, that’s my theory as to why Trump stole those classified documents... or at least, that's what I think today. I’ve been wrong before, and I may change my mind later as new information becomes available...
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Post by blindness on Oct 11, 2022 6:37:08 GMT -8
Yeah. We kept thinking offense and not defense. We should have also guessed he took incriminating documents with him or documents he did not want others to see. In retrospect, the call logs were an obvious thing to take and we knew they were missing but frankly, my mind kept going to the adjective "classified".
So there should have been a couple of defensive reasons in there too.
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