Post by mhbruin on Apr 25, 2021 8:49:06 GMT -8
We start with the last-place Oregon State Beavers. They followed up their surprise run at the end of the 2021 season with a truly abysmal season. They went 3-26 and 1-19 in the Pac-12.
Do you think last season was bad? At this point it seems possible that next season could be even worse.
After the Elite Eight run, Coach Wayne Tinkle received a four-year contract extension that takes him through the 2026-27 season. I wonder how the AD is feeling about that?
One factor may have contributed to their success in 2020-21. All five of Oregon State's leading scorers played in every game. In a year when there was roster chaos everywhere, no Beaver missed a game due to injury or COVID. The past season was different, both for the Beavers and the rest of the country.
GRADUATING
As far as I can tell, Malone-Key has only played 4 seasons, but according to OregonLive.Com, he has no more eligibility. I will take their word for it.
IN THE DRAFT
Calloo is expected to stay in the draft. Silva didn't put his name into the draft, but he is turning pro.
TRANSFERRING OUT
The portal is taking Oregon State's top two scorers, and more than half their assists. This wasn't a particularly talented roster, and they lose a decent chunk of what talent they have.
The only reason I listed Hobson is because it seems bizarre to have a Dashawn and a Dyshawn on the same team. Do you play Dashawn or DyShawn. It's a Hobson's choice, but now Coach Tinkle won't be able to play either of them.
RETURNING
Four of their five leading scorers from last year are gone, as well as 3 of their 4 top rebounders and their 2 assist leaders. That isn't leaving a hole in the middle of their roster. That leaves a chasm.
Alatishe is a nice player. Andela showed some promise. Rand shot 41% from the arc on his 22 attempts.
Notice the assists. The returning players don't have many. No returning player has an A/TO ratio above 1.1, so it is not clear who will play PG.
Despite his low recruiting ranking, Chol Marial is an interesting prospect. He transferred from Maryland a year ago, but he was academically ineligible last season and didn't play. The stats are from from his last season at Maryland. He is 7'2" tall, and is much more mobile than the lumbering Roman Silva. In limited minutes at Maryland he blocked almost 4 shots every 40 minutes.
As early as his freshman year in high school, Marial was receiving offers from major NCAA Division I programs, including Florida State, Iowa, and West Virginia. In January 2017, he emerged as one of the best players in the 2019 class. ESPN ranked him third overall, and 247Sports rated him as the second-best center in his class. In the following years, however, he plummeted down rankings, partly because he struggled with injuries and changed high schools several times.
On 6 May 2019, Marial committed to play college basketball for Maryland. He was attracted to Maryland because he liked its coaching staff and players, and due to the improvement Bruno Fernando, who had a similar background as Marial, displayed with the program. When Marial finished high school, he was considered a four-star recruit by ESPN and Rivals and a three-star recruit by 247Sports.
Marial missed the first 12 games of his freshman season after undergoing surgery to repair stress fractures in both legs. He played sparingly during his two years at Maryland.
-- Center? Not sure the Beavers have a true center on this roster, though 7-foot-2 Chol Marial is likely to fill that role. He’s more of a modern big, as he faces the basket and can play at the perimeter. Unclear how much of an impact Marial will have next season because of previous physical issues. Forward Rodrigue Andela, coming off foot surgery, is Oregon State’s best bet as an inside banger.
-- As for point guard, unless the Beavers land a transfer, the position will be played by committee, probably led by Dexter Akanno.
Oregon State was bad last season is losing 6 rotation players. It could be another disaster. However, it does give Wayne Tinkle a chance to build a team from the ground up. His recent contract extension gives him a little leeway to do this.
However, there really isn't much talent here to build on. There are no 4-star or 5-star players. The 3-star players don't seem like much to get excited about. If Beaver fans are looking for hope, maybe Marial will return to his early high-school form and stay healthy. Maybe Rataj is a great player that no one else noticed, because he was in Germany.
Oregon State needs to hope that some guys on this roster are undiscovered gems. Otherwise, this is a team that might compete for the conference title ... if they played in the Big West. Tinkle isn't a bad coach, but with this roster, I see little to get excited about.
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Jon Wilner recently wrote:
Rising: Oregon State basketball
After its outlook plunged like the Netflix stock price, OSU was in desperate need of a roster overhaul. And sure enough, the expected purge is underway with Dashawn Davis, Jarod Lucas, Gianni Hunt and Tre Williams all in the transfer portal.
To this point, coach Wayne Tinkle hasn’t added anyone (per the 247Sports database), and we’re not sure a wave of newcomers is vital to jump-starting the recovery.
In other words, any roster that isn’t the former roster constitutes an improvement.
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I can't say I agree. I don't subscribe to the addition-by-subtraction theory.
OTOH, it is hard to do much worse than a 3-26 season. When you start this low, you could show improvement. If there is any improvement, don't expect much.
Do you think last season was bad? At this point it seems possible that next season could be even worse.
After the Elite Eight run, Coach Wayne Tinkle received a four-year contract extension that takes him through the 2026-27 season. I wonder how the AD is feeling about that?
One factor may have contributed to their success in 2020-21. All five of Oregon State's leading scorers played in every game. In a year when there was roster chaos everywhere, no Beaver missed a game due to injury or COVID. The past season was different, both for the Beavers and the rest of the country.
GRADUATING
Player | Games | Minutes | Points | Rebounds | Assists |
Xzavier Malone-Key | 12 | 10 | 4 | 1 | 1 |
As far as I can tell, Malone-Key has only played 4 seasons, but according to OregonLive.Com, he has no more eligibility. I will take their word for it.
IN THE DRAFT
Player | Games | Minutes | Points | Rebounds | Assists | Can Return? |
Maurice Calloo | 28 | 23 | 9 | 3 | 1 | Yes |
Roman Silva | 30 | 21 | 7 | 5 | 1 | No |
Calloo is expected to stay in the draft. Silva didn't put his name into the draft, but he is turning pro.
TRANSFERRING OUT
Player | Games | Minutes | Points | Rebounds | Assists | Destination |
Jared Lucas | 31 | 34 | 14 | 2 | 1 | |
Dashawn Davis | 27 | 32 | 11 | 3 | 6 | Mississippi State |
Gianni Hunt | 9 | 24 | 5 | 3 | 2 | Sacramento State |
Tre' Williams | 18 | 15 | 3 | 2 | 1 | Tulane |
DyShawn Hobson | 2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0 |
The portal is taking Oregon State's top two scorers, and more than half their assists. This wasn't a particularly talented roster, and they lose a decent chunk of what talent they have.
The only reason I listed Hobson is because it seems bizarre to have a Dashawn and a Dyshawn on the same team. Do you play Dashawn or DyShawn. It's a Hobson's choice, but now Coach Tinkle won't be able to play either of them.
RETURNING
Player | Games | Starts | Minutes | Points | Rebounds | Assists | Class | Recruiting Stars | Recruiting Rank |
Warith Alatishe | 28 | 20 | 25 | 9 | 5 | 1 | Sr 5 | Unranked | |
Glenn Taylor Jr. F | 30 | 12 | 22 | 7 | 2 | 1 | So | 3 | 189 |
Ahmad Rand | 29 | 0 | 14 | 5 | 2 | 0 | Sr | Unranked | |
Dexter Akanno | 29 | 17 | 20 | 5 | 2 | 1 | Jr | 3 | 400 |
Rodrigue tha Andela | 7 | 4 | 13 | 5 | 3 | 0 | Sr | Unranked | |
Isaiah Johnson | 16 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 1 | 0 | Jr | 3 | 412 |
Chol Marial | 18 | 5 | 6 | 2 | 1 | 0 | Jr | 3 | 180 |
Four of their five leading scorers from last year are gone, as well as 3 of their 4 top rebounders and their 2 assist leaders. That isn't leaving a hole in the middle of their roster. That leaves a chasm.
Alatishe is a nice player. Andela showed some promise. Rand shot 41% from the arc on his 22 attempts.
Notice the assists. The returning players don't have many. No returning player has an A/TO ratio above 1.1, so it is not clear who will play PG.
Despite his low recruiting ranking, Chol Marial is an interesting prospect. He transferred from Maryland a year ago, but he was academically ineligible last season and didn't play. The stats are from from his last season at Maryland. He is 7'2" tall, and is much more mobile than the lumbering Roman Silva. In limited minutes at Maryland he blocked almost 4 shots every 40 minutes.
As early as his freshman year in high school, Marial was receiving offers from major NCAA Division I programs, including Florida State, Iowa, and West Virginia. In January 2017, he emerged as one of the best players in the 2019 class. ESPN ranked him third overall, and 247Sports rated him as the second-best center in his class. In the following years, however, he plummeted down rankings, partly because he struggled with injuries and changed high schools several times.
On 6 May 2019, Marial committed to play college basketball for Maryland. He was attracted to Maryland because he liked its coaching staff and players, and due to the improvement Bruno Fernando, who had a similar background as Marial, displayed with the program. When Marial finished high school, he was considered a four-star recruit by ESPN and Rivals and a three-star recruit by 247Sports.
Marial missed the first 12 games of his freshman season after undergoing surgery to repair stress fractures in both legs. He played sparingly during his two years at Maryland.
-- Center? Not sure the Beavers have a true center on this roster, though 7-foot-2 Chol Marial is likely to fill that role. He’s more of a modern big, as he faces the basket and can play at the perimeter. Unclear how much of an impact Marial will have next season because of previous physical issues. Forward Rodrigue Andela, coming off foot surgery, is Oregon State’s best bet as an inside banger.
-- As for point guard, unless the Beavers land a transfer, the position will be played by committee, probably led by Dexter Akanno.
RECRUITS
(#92 class, #10 in Pac-12)
Player | Size | Position | Recruiting Stars | Recruiting Rank | Offers |
Tyler Bilodeau | 6-8 210 | PF | 3 | 206 | Washington State, Boise State, Montana State |
Jayden Stevens | 6-7 190 | SF | Unranked | No other offers | |
Jordan Pope | 6-0 165 | PG | 3 | 249 | Montana, Nevada, New Mexico |
Nick Krass | 6-4 190 | SG | Unranked | Mississippi, Southern Miss | |
Michael Rataj | 6-8 215 | SF | Unranked | From Germany |
Rataj is an unknown. No other schools offered him, but oming from Germany, he might have slipped under the radar
TRANSFERRING IN
Player | Size | Minutes | Points | Rebounds | Assists | FG Percent | 3-Point Percent | From | Class | Recruiting Stars | Recruiting Rank |
Christian Wright | 6-3 185 | 21 | 5 | 2 | 2 | 35% | 27% | Georgia | So | 3 | 215 |
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Christian Wright played in every game last season for the Georgia Bulldogs and started 11 games. The Bulldogs finished dead last in the SEC. He must be a masochist to move from one last-place team to another. Maybe he likes playing for teams that only win one conference game. He should fit in with OSU's 3-star players.
CONCLUSION
Oregon State was bad last season is losing 6 rotation players. It could be another disaster. However, it does give Wayne Tinkle a chance to build a team from the ground up. His recent contract extension gives him a little leeway to do this.
However, there really isn't much talent here to build on. There are no 4-star or 5-star players. The 3-star players don't seem like much to get excited about. If Beaver fans are looking for hope, maybe Marial will return to his early high-school form and stay healthy. Maybe Rataj is a great player that no one else noticed, because he was in Germany.
Oregon State needs to hope that some guys on this roster are undiscovered gems. Otherwise, this is a team that might compete for the conference title ... if they played in the Big West. Tinkle isn't a bad coach, but with this roster, I see little to get excited about.
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Jon Wilner recently wrote:
Rising: Oregon State basketball
After its outlook plunged like the Netflix stock price, OSU was in desperate need of a roster overhaul. And sure enough, the expected purge is underway with Dashawn Davis, Jarod Lucas, Gianni Hunt and Tre Williams all in the transfer portal.
To this point, coach Wayne Tinkle hasn’t added anyone (per the 247Sports database), and we’re not sure a wave of newcomers is vital to jump-starting the recovery.
In other words, any roster that isn’t the former roster constitutes an improvement.
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I can't say I agree. I don't subscribe to the addition-by-subtraction theory.
OTOH, it is hard to do much worse than a 3-26 season. When you start this low, you could show improvement. If there is any improvement, don't expect much.